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UPDATE:  The Firestone Firehawk Wide Oval Indy 500 and the Firestone Precision Sport tires have now been officially rolled out and are being shipped to dealers and distributors.

The FFWOI-500 is a 'W'-speed-rated UHP tire with no treadwear warranty.  It is currently available in no less than 36 sizes, with wheels between 15 and 20", and aspect ratios between 35 and 55.  Here is a link where you can get more information:  http://www.bridgestonetire.com/tireselector/GlamourIndex_BS_EN.aspx?ProductID=2064

The Firestone Precision Sport is an 'H'-speed-rated tire with a 40,000-mile treadwear warranty.  At present, it is available in 16 sizes between 15 and 17" with aspect ratios between 45 and 65.  Here is more information:  http://www.bridgestonetire.com/tireselector/GlamourIndex_BS_EN.aspx?ProductID=2079

I will leave it to others who own cars that require UHP tires to report on the FFWOI-500.  My hunch is that it will be a pretty good tire.

But regarding the Precision Sport, personally, I am disappointed in it, and in the fact that it is being rolled out before the Precision Touring and Destination ST-A.  The Precision Sport seems like only a bare-bones tire, perhaps a replacement for the old LeMans (and later Firestone) Champion HR.  And with the much better Firestone Firehawk GT already covering most of these sizes, and at a competitive price, it makes this tire somewhere between redundant and unnecessary.

It also leaves the same two holes in the Firestone product line they have had for a long time.  I can only hope that the Precision Touring and the Destination ST-A are home runs, and are coming out REAL soon.  Because honestly, these two are the tires they needed rolled out first.


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I can't disagree with any of that, especially with the thought that the Precision Sport really looks like a bottom-line value tire.  It'll be interesting how they market that tire alongside the already low-to-moderately priced Firehawk GT.

I join you in looking forward to what the Precision Touring will be.

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Do you know if  these are summer tires or available as such?




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According to the Bridgestone / Firestone web pages:

Firestone Precision Sport claims to be all-season.  It is an H-rated performance tire available in 55 to 65 aspect ratios in 15" and 16" wheel sizes.

Firestone Firehawk Wide Oval Indy 500 does not (although it does not specifically say that it is a summer tire).  It is a W-rated ultra high performance tire available in 45 to 55 aspect ratios in 15" to 17" wheel sizes.
Edited 4/14/10   by  Timothy_Lee
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This one has me stumped.  B-F, in rolling out these tires, said that they had been listening to customer needs and demands.  And yet, with the Primewell line, whether I like them or not (I don't), they had the economy tires they needed.

What they didn't have was a mainline passenger all-season tire that they could market with the best of them for Firestone value.  And that has been true since they botched the marketing of a tire I really liked, the Affinity LH30.

So what do they do?  Roll out the tire they need the most last. 

I can still hope the Precision Touring is a great tire and catches on quickly.  But I will be of the mind that they are botching this opportunity.
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A lot of people consider the Affinity line some of the worst tires ever made (along with the Eagle LS)
Not saying that the LH30s are poor but most people think "My OEM Firestones were junk, all Firestones are junk" or My OEM Firestone Affinitys were junk but Firehawks or maybe this new line Precision are good. Customers also don't like off brand tires regardless of quality so Primewell doesn't work out.
I'm guessing that the Precision line will replace the Affinity line.
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I agree that most of the Affinity line was abysmal.  And any of them used for O.E.M. purposes were junk.

But the Affinity LH30 stood apart from all the rest by that name.  It was not used as an OEM tire, and was the first main-line tire to have an 'H'-speed rating across the board.

I had two sets of them, one on a car, the other on a minivan.  They had seriously good Winter performance, good treadlife, and were some of the better tires of any brand I had ever owned.

It could even be said that putting the Affinity name on them (regardless of what followed) was one of the dumber things B-F did with that tire.  Because I really liked that tire.
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Customers also don't like off brand tires regardless of quality so Primewell doesn't work out.

The fact that such tires exist and are well stocked in tire shops indicates that there is a significant customer base that buys them.  However, it is unlikely that this group of customers chooses tires on anything other than low price, so putting a good quality tire under a third tier brand does not make a lot of sense from the tire company's standpoint.
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Thanks for the info. Since the Firestone Precision Sport lays claim to being a master of all seasons  ;-)  it is not for me. I prefer to master one season at a time as fully as possible.

And of course until I remember just where in Italy I parked that darned Ferrari I wont need anything remotely close to a W-rated tire. A relief as I can continue to save the bucks one would need.

Its unlikely that such a high performance tire would be so called All Season as it would be a contradiction in terms.

Alan
Edited 4/17/10   by  H.__A._POWELL
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Thanks for the info. Since the Firestone Precision Sport lays claim to being a master of all seasons  ;-)  it is not for me. I prefer to master one season at a time as fully as possible.

Outside of the ultra high performance tire market, there are not really many summer tires offered in the US (and some of those, such as the Bridgestone Ecopia EP100 and Yokohama dB Super E-Spec, are not made with performance in mind; Tire Rack found these two to be more comparable to several S- or T-rated all-season tires in handling and braking tests).

Of course, if you want H-rated summer tires, you could just get Yokohama H4s tires, if available in the size you need.  Although nominally all-season tires, their winter performance was poor in CR tests, but their non-winter performance was among the best of the H-rated tires.  The two Falken tires in that group would also be more along those lines.

Its unlikely that such a high performance tire would be so called All Season as it would be a contradiction in terms.

We'll get to find out this fall when CR publishes its ultra high performance tire test results, assuming that they use category rating bubbles that indicate the same range of performance for both the summer and all-season tires.
Edited 4/17/10   by  Timothy_Lee